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Ajit
Hi Everyone,

I am helping few students to learn IT and we have developed this web site City Meal Deals (http://www.citymealdeals.co.uk

We started this project 3 years ago and over the period we have got 3000 members joined our website.Community is sharing local meal deals and using logos of popular chain joints.I wasn't sure if we need any legal approval to use their brand logos on our website.

Dominos legal team told us to remove their meal deals from our website.It's really setback for my students as its pretty hard to teach without showing something live.I want to understand is there a way to challenge their decision as I taught them programming & automation skills.I am still not convinced as meal joints logos are on all the vouchers website and hot uk deals etc then why it is not acceptable on our website.

Regards
Randeep





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Re: [LondonOpenCoffee] Legal Issues

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Did you ask what their objections were? And explain your intentions? 

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On 3 Aug 2017 16:42, "Randeep Singh" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I am helping few students to learn IT and we have developed this web site City Meal Deals (http://www.citymealdeals.co.uk

We started this project 3 years ago and over the period we have got 3000 members joined our website.Community is sharing local meal deals and using logos of popular chain joints.I wasn't sure if we need any legal approval to use their brand logos on our website.

Dominos legal team told us to remove their meal deals from our website.It's really setback for my students as its pretty hard to teach without showing something live.I want to understand is there a way to challenge their decision as I taught them programming & automation skills.I am still not convinced as meal joints logos are on all the vouchers website and hot uk deals etc then why it is not acceptable on our website.

Regards
Randeep





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To use any brand logos you need explicit permission from the owner. 

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On 3 Aug 2017, at 16:42, Randeep Singh <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I am helping few students to learn IT and we have developed this web site City Meal Deals (http://www.citymealdeals.co.uk

We started this project 3 years ago and over the period we have got 3000 members joined our website.Community is sharing local meal deals and using logos of popular chain joints.I wasn't sure if we need any legal approval to use their brand logos on our website.

Dominos legal team told us to remove their meal deals from our website.It's really setback for my students as its pretty hard to teach without showing something live.I want to understand is there a way to challenge their decision as I taught them programming & automation skills.I am still not convinced as meal joints logos are on all the vouchers website and hot uk deals etc then why it is not acceptable on our website.

Regards
Randeep





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Re: [LondonOpenCoffee] Legal Issues

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Before u get into a discussion with a department who's only job is to question legality (and with no authority to authorise use), I suggest you call Domino's marketing dept and tell them you want to put their logo on your multi-user food website for free.

Bet you get a diff reaction.

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Date: 03/08/2017 16:42 (GMT+00:00)
Subject: [LondonOpenCoffee] Legal Issues

Hi Everyone,

I am helping few students to learn IT and we have developed this web site City Meal Deals (http://www.citymealdeals.co.uk

We started this project 3 years ago and over the period we have got 3000 members joined our website.Community is sharing local meal deals and using logos of popular chain joints.I wasn't sure if we need any legal approval to use their brand logos on our website.

Dominos legal team told us to remove their meal deals from our website.It's really setback for my students as its pretty hard to teach without showing something live.I want to understand is there a way to challenge their decision as I taught them programming & automation skills.I am still not convinced as meal joints logos are on all the vouchers website and hot uk deals etc then why it is not acceptable on our website.

Regards
Randeep





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RE: [LondonOpenCoffee] Legal Issues

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Yes definitely – speak to their marketing or communications department and set out clearly what you are intending to do.  Bear in mind also that Dominos are a franchise so you will probably need permission from the head office as well as the franchise owner(s) and they will have strict guidelines under the terms of the franchise. You cannot use any company logo without written permission from them otherwise you risk legal action against you.

 

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Before u get into a discussion with a department who's only job is to question legality (and with no authority to authorise use), I suggest you call Domino's marketing dept and tell them you want to put their logo on your multi-user food website for free.

 

Bet you get a diff reaction.

 

H

 

 

 

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Date: 03/08/2017 16:42 (GMT+00:00)

Subject: [LondonOpenCoffee] Legal Issues

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I am helping few students to learn IT and we have developed this web site City Meal Deals (http://www.citymealdeals.co.uk

 

We started this project 3 years ago and over the period we have got 3000 members joined our website.Community is sharing local meal deals and using logos of popular chain joints.I wasn't sure if we need any legal approval to use their brand logos on our website.

 

Dominos legal team told us to remove their meal deals from our website.It's really setback for my students as its pretty hard to teach without showing something live.I want to understand is there a way to challenge their decision as I taught them programming & automation skills.I am still not convinced as meal joints logos are on all the vouchers website and hot uk deals etc then why it is not acceptable on our website.

 

Regards

Randeep

 





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Re: [LondonOpenCoffee] Legal Issues

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I got this response from them their facebook page earlier.

I’m afraid we do not grant permission for you to use any images or other intellectual property rights that belong to Domino’s. Please remove any and all references to Domino’s from your website as a matter of urgency.

When I called them then their legal team member was repeating same wording again.I told them that this is community driven website and we all love to share meal deals but she insisted me to remove Dominos deals immediately.I asker her in the end to send me the notice in writing on my email account.

I understand that logos and brand images are their intellectual property but we are not breaking and terms and conditions in my understanding.I want to understand from the group members how to tackle this type of illogical response from bigger players.




On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Howard Amor <[hidden email]> wrote:
Before u get into a discussion with a department who's only job is to question legality (and with no authority to authorise use), I suggest you call Domino's marketing dept and tell them you want to put their logo on your multi-user food website for free.

Bet you get a diff reaction.

H



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From: Randeep Singh <[hidden email]>
Date: 03/08/2017 16:42 (GMT+00:00)
Subject: [LondonOpenCoffee] Legal Issues

<img width="0" height="0" class="m_-1655002167885347516mailtrack-img" alt="" style="display:flex" src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" id="m_-16550021678853475161501775469434">Hi Everyone,

I am helping few students to learn IT and we have developed this web site City Meal Deals (http://www.citymealdeals.co.uk

We started this project 3 years ago and over the period we have got 3000 members joined our website.Community is sharing local meal deals and using logos of popular chain joints.I wasn't sure if we need any legal approval to use their brand logos on our website.

Dominos legal team told us to remove their meal deals from our website.It's really setback for my students as its pretty hard to teach without showing something live.I want to understand is there a way to challenge their decision as I taught them programming & automation skills.I am still not convinced as meal joints logos are on all the vouchers website and hot uk deals etc then why it is not acceptable on our website.

Regards
Randeep





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Re: [LondonOpenCoffee] Legal Issues

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You could promote their competitors and not them.

Or replace the dominos logo with your own device to make it clear they absurdly refuse to give permission.

Their logos and marques are theirs, of course, but agree it is considerably small-minded of them

Someone must have recently sold them a brand-monitoring service and they're damn well gonna use it whether it damages them or not!

On 3 August 2017 at 17:07, Randeep Singh <[hidden email]> wrote:
I got this response from them their facebook page earlier.

I’m afraid we do not grant permission for you to use any images or other intellectual property rights that belong to Domino’s. Please remove any and all references to Domino’s from your website as a matter of urgency.

When I called them then their legal team member was repeating same wording again.I told them that this is community driven website and we all love to share meal deals but she insisted me to remove Dominos deals immediately.I asker her in the end to send me the notice in writing on my email account.

I understand that logos and brand images are their intellectual property but we are not breaking and terms and conditions in my understanding.I want to understand from the group members how to tackle this type of illogical response from bigger players.




On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Howard Amor <[hidden email]> wrote:
Before u get into a discussion with a department who's only job is to question legality (and with no authority to authorise use), I suggest you call Domino's marketing dept and tell them you want to put their logo on your multi-user food website for free.

Bet you get a diff reaction.

H



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------
From: Randeep Singh <[hidden email]>
Date: 03/08/2017 16:42 (GMT+00:00)
Subject: [LondonOpenCoffee] Legal Issues

Hi Everyone,

I am helping few students to learn IT and we have developed this web site City Meal Deals (http://www.citymealdeals.co.uk

We started this project 3 years ago and over the period we have got 3000 members joined our website.Community is sharing local meal deals and using logos of popular chain joints.I wasn't sure if we need any legal approval to use their brand logos on our website.

Dominos legal team told us to remove their meal deals from our website.It's really setback for my students as its pretty hard to teach without showing something live.I want to understand is there a way to challenge their decision as I taught them programming & automation skills.I am still not convinced as meal joints logos are on all the vouchers website and hot uk deals etc then why it is not acceptable on our website.

Regards
Randeep





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Re: [LondonOpenCoffee] Legal Issues

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Hi Randeep,

There are few factors on which it depends:

1. Are you making any direct/indirect commercial benefit by using these logos/deals/ip not owned by you? 

2. Can the usage be explained as 'educational purposes'?

3. Is it put up by the web administrator or by the users (in which case it can be considered crowd sourced)?

In any case, if there is threat of legal action, I would suggest you comply with their requests regarding their IP.

If you have more to discuss you can write to me at [hidden email]

Best,
Neel



On 3 Aug 2017 16:42, "Randeep Singh" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I am helping few students to learn IT and we have developed this web site City Meal Deals (http://www.citymealdeals.co.uk

We started this project 3 years ago and over the period we have got 3000 members joined our website.Community is sharing local meal deals and using logos of popular chain joints.I wasn't sure if we need any legal approval to use their brand logos on our website.

Dominos legal team told us to remove their meal deals from our website.It's really setback for my students as its pretty hard to teach without showing something live.I want to understand is there a way to challenge their decision as I taught them programming & automation skills.I am still not convinced as meal joints logos are on all the vouchers website and hot uk deals etc then why it is not acceptable on our website.

Regards
Randeep





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Don't make this anymore complicated.

They can get you to remove the logo but are not going to sue a non-commercial, educational institute for putting the logo, with many others, on a simple “learning” website, as impossible to prove “damage”. They're simply quoting you the rule book.

Remove the logo from your site

Call their marketing department and ask to use it on your site (as many others do and have done) and they may want you to sign a terms of use doc.

Domino's are in the business of selling pizzas by whatever method they safely can.

If the logo is used in accordance with their terms, Domino's can only benefit. They know that.

The only way an issue could come up is IF (and I doubt it) they have an exclusive “restaurant website” agreement with another site for use of their logo.

H

-----Original Message----- From: Neelendra Nath <[hidden email]> To: LondonOpenCoffee-list <[hidden email]> Sent: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 18:08 Subject: Re: [LondonOpenCoffee] Legal Issues

Hi Randeep,

There are few factors on which it depends:

  1. Are you making any direct/indirect commercial benefit by using these logos/deals/ip not owned by you? 

  2. Can the usage be explained as ‘educational purposes’?

  3. Is it put up by the web administrator or by the users (in which case it can be considered crowd sourced)?

In any case, if there is threat of legal action, I would suggest you comply with their requests regarding their IP.

If you have more to discuss you can write to me at [hidden email]

Best, Neel

On 3 Aug 2017 16:42, “Randeep Singh” <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I am helping few students to learn IT and we have developed this web site City Meal Deals (http://www.citymealdeals.co.uk

We started this project 3 years ago and over the period we have got 3000 members joined our website.Community is sharing local meal deals and using logos of popular chain joints.I wasn't sure if we need any legal approval to use their brand logos on our website.

Dominos legal team told us to remove their meal deals from our website.It's really setback for my students as its pretty hard to teach without showing something live.I want to understand is there a way to challenge their decision as I taught them programming & automation skills.I am still not convinced as meal joints logos are on all the vouchers website and hot uk deals etc then why it is not acceptable on our website.

Regards Randeep

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Thanks Everyone for your inputs to understand this matter.I have got some clarity now and would deal with these brands in an appropriate way.

I will remove logo of these brands if they don't allow us to do so.As long as deals are accurate and helpful for members to save the money logo images doesn't matter to us.

Thanks again for your support.

Regards
Randeep 






On 3 Aug 2017, at 19:36, Howard Amor <[hidden email]> wrote:

Don't make this anymore complicated.

They can get you to remove the logo but are not going to sue a non-commercial, educational institute for putting the logo, with many others, on a simple “learning” website, as impossible to prove “damage”. They're simply quoting you the rule book.

Remove the logo from your site

Call their marketing department and ask to use it on your site (as many others do and have done) and they may want you to sign a terms of use doc.

Domino's are in the business of selling pizzas by whatever method they safely can.

If the logo is used in accordance with their terms, Domino's can only benefit. They know that.

The only way an issue could come up is IF (and I doubt it) they have an exclusive “restaurant website” agreement with another site for use of their logo.

H

-----Original Message----- From: Neelendra Nath <[hidden email]> To: LondonOpenCoffee-list <[hidden email]> Sent: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 18:08 Subject: Re: [LondonOpenCoffee] Legal Issues

Hi Randeep,

There are few factors on which it depends:

  1. Are you making any direct/indirect commercial benefit by using these logos/deals/ip not owned by you? 

  2. Can the usage be explained as ‘educational purposes’?

  3. Is it put up by the web administrator or by the users (in which case it can be considered crowd sourced)?

In any case, if there is threat of legal action, I would suggest you comply with their requests regarding their IP.

If you have more to discuss you can write to me at [hidden email]

Best, Neel

On 3 Aug 2017 16:42, “Randeep Singh” <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I am helping few students to learn IT and we have developed this web site City Meal Deals (http://www.citymealdeals.co.uk

We started this project 3 years ago and over the period we have got 3000 members joined our website.Community is sharing local meal deals and using logos of popular chain joints.I wasn't sure if we need any legal approval to use their brand logos on our website.

Dominos legal team told us to remove their meal deals from our website.It's really setback for my students as its pretty hard to teach without showing something live.I want to understand is there a way to challenge their decision as I taught them programming & automation skills.I am still not convinced as meal joints logos are on all the vouchers website and hot uk deals etc then why it is not acceptable on our website.

Regards Randeep

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Alternatively, just provoke them and get a load of PR off it, before they back down 

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On 3 Aug 2017 19:36, "Howard Amor" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Don't make this anymore complicated.

They can get you to remove the logo but are not going to sue a non-commercial, educational institute for putting the logo, with many others, on a simple “learning” website, as impossible to prove “damage”. They're simply quoting you the rule book.

Remove the logo from your site

Call their marketing department and ask to use it on your site (as many others do and have done) and they may want you to sign a terms of use doc.

Domino's are in the business of selling pizzas by whatever method they safely can.

If the logo is used in accordance with their terms, Domino's can only benefit. They know that.

The only way an issue could come up is IF (and I doubt it) they have an exclusive “restaurant website” agreement with another site for use of their logo.

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-----Original Message----- From: Neelendra Nath <[hidden email]> To: LondonOpenCoffee-list <[hidden email]> Sent: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 18:08 Subject: Re: [LondonOpenCoffee] Legal Issues

Hi Randeep,

There are few factors on which it depends:

  1. Are you making any direct/indirect commercial benefit by using these logos/deals/ip not owned by you? 

  2. Can the usage be explained as ‘educational purposes’?

  3. Is it put up by the web administrator or by the users (in which case it can be considered crowd sourced)?

In any case, if there is threat of legal action, I would suggest you comply with their requests regarding their IP.

If you have more to discuss you can write to me at [hidden email]

Best, Neel

On 3 Aug 2017 16:42, “Randeep Singh” <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I am helping few students to learn IT and we have developed this web site City Meal Deals (http://www.citymealdeals.co.uk

We started this project 3 years ago and over the period we have got 3000 members joined our website.Community is sharing local meal deals and using logos of popular chain joints.I wasn't sure if we need any legal approval to use their brand logos on our website.

Dominos legal team told us to remove their meal deals from our website.It's really setback for my students as its pretty hard to teach without showing something live.I want to understand is there a way to challenge their decision as I taught them programming & automation skills.I am still not convinced as meal joints logos are on all the vouchers website and hot uk deals etc then why it is not acceptable on our website.

Regards Randeep

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Thank you for your e-mail!

I am currently on annual leave. If your enquiry is of an urgent nature please contact Alex Perry on [hidden email]. Alternatively I will reply on my return.

Many Thanks,

Nehar Ullah

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